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shell v-power fuel
Topic Started: Feb 23 2014, 10:11 PM (1,795 Views)
Littlelegs
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hi everyone. thought I would just share this with you incase anyone not come across this.
well Saturday was a fine day for a bike ride here in Portsmouth so I togged up jumped on the ol 400,stopped off to stick a tenners worth of juice in her. pulled in to a shell garage and stopped by the good fuel pump 97ron. up piped the attendant who I thought was goin to fuel me up. is this fuel injected he asked! turns out there's something in the v-power that will ruin the carbs rubber diaphram. I don't use this all the time just now and again but not wanting to screw the rubber I opted for the normal unleaded. don't know if any of you have come across or herd this b4
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bls
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seen a report somewhere recently that the government want more bio-fuel in petrol. normal un-leaded has more ethanol added which harms your fuel lines and rubber components. locally in Belfast, three petrol stations where adding their own ethanol illegally and cars were breaking down due to the damage done to the fuel systems, (bit like red diesel with acid added wrecks diesel engines). personally I have been filling up with high octane super un-leaded as it is meant to be pure/real fuel. a few years ago our '82 Capri went to hell and back on super market petrol, low grade muck. sold the Capri's to get the bikes :228 seemed like the right thing to do :kawas
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yellowbelly
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The ethanol in the fuel is likely to cause problem with rubber items it also destroys alloy carb bodies and fiber glass fuel tanks . Ethanol content is currently at 5% but there are moves to go up oh 10& . This will cause problems to the older vehicles .
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OK, Can i just get a bit of clarity on this as I'm easily confused! I ride a Zephyr 750 C1 (90-91) model. 60k on the clock and still going strong. My concern is if I start using super fuel like the V-Power stuff how will my old, well run in engine deal with it. If its not broke don't fix it, but if it will benefit my bike I'm willing to have a go but in the same light I don't want to start messing around as its my daily ride in all weather.

So stick with the 95 or go 98 whats the recommendation from everyone?
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bls
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shell pulled out of NI, but maxol and bp still supply high octane super-unleaded (98) which should be free from ethanol, an alcohol based bio fuel that damages your fuel system and carbs.
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Personally I've found my ER6f is more than capable of losing my licence on std. unleaded!I've tried BP Ultimate but didn't notice any difference in mileage or performance.
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not heard of this before.... but have duly noted since i ride a '98 zx9...... i have run a test with normal unleaded and the bp uber type on the same run to and from Warminster ( which i can just about do on a tank) on both varieties and seen zero change in mpg or real term perfomance
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The point of the original post was nothing to do with performance but
damage to the carb diaphragms and rubber.
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Hmm, I've not come across this before.

WightRider, you Zepher may not enjoy the tastier petrol, apparently an engine wears in certain ways based on how it's treated. The mechanic I was chatting was talking about Redex carb-cleaner, he told me that if I used it too often, the engine would get used to having it as an adative (Essential get addicted to it) & therefore only run at it's best with Redex.

He said the same can happen with fuel, if an engine only ever uses 98 Ron, it won't run properly/happily on dirtier 95 Ron. While he said giving an engine 98 ron won't hurt it, it may not make a difference as the engine has worn in such a way that it runs at it's best on lesser fuel. I'd say asve you money & stick to the 95 ron as the engine probably won't run any different.

I've been told seperately that 98 ron tends to give the best benefits to extremely highly strung multi-cylinder engines (We're talking car V8's, V10's etc) & forced induction engines. High reving bike engines can improve throttle response & smoothness, but it's more about the quality of the engine oil.

I tend to stick with 95 ron as the only time I've ever seen a difference was in a superchrged BMW MINI, which was meerly the ECU giving an extra 500 rpm on the redline.
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Mar 24 2014, 07:33 AM
The point of the original post was nothing to do with performance but
damage to the carb diaphragms and rubber.
Got a bit sidetracked!Haven't heard of problems at the standard % but it might be a different story if we go to E10 or E15
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I don't know about carb damage, which concerns me a little as I've started using "super unleaded" in my ZZR1200 as I've found that it makes the bike run smoother in town traffic i.e doesn't cough so much.
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Tesco's super unleaded is 99 ron. :074
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It's not the grade of petrol that's the problem it's the ethanol content .Modern vehicle components are designed to cope with it even the inlet manifolds and fuel tanks are ''plastic'' . Its the old alloys and rubbers that erode away .Carb diaphragms can be made of a material that will stand it .
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In regards to the Tesco fuel, STAY AWAY FROM IT.
I had a friend that worked in the tanker delivery dept for tesco's fuels. The reason that it is cheaper is that it goes through less refinement's
The tests that Tesco's did was proven that the real damage that is caused by constant use of their fuel will not fully show up for aprox 3 1/2 years.
There survey showed that on average such a small percentage of people keep a vehicle past 3 years, that they just continued to supply inferior fuel as it was selling.
but here is the real thing, My car trip computer showed that i had 140 miles left in the tank. So i thought if i top up now i can continue the rest of my journey with out any stops.
How wrong was i. I had topped up my tank from half full and left the Tesco's garage with a full fuel tank. The computer said on pull away that i had 420 miles distance in the tank.
but after a few mins of driving the computer re set at 213 miles left in the tank. Tesco's fuel is so weak and it was also diluting the good fuel that was in the tank. SO STAY AWAY FROM IT
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frank63
Jul 30 2014, 09:15 AM
In regards to the Tesco fuel, STAY AWAY FROM IT.
I had a friend that worked in the tanker delivery dept for tesco's fuels. The reason that it is cheaper is that it goes through less refinement's
The tests that Tesco's did was proven that the real damage that is caused by constant use of their fuel will not fully show up for aprox 3 1/2 years.
There survey showed that on average such a small percentage of people keep a vehicle past 3 years, that they just continued to supply inferior fuel as it was selling.
but here is the real thing, My car trip computer showed that i had 140 miles left in the tank. So i thought if i top up now i can continue the rest of my journey with out any stops.
How wrong was i. I had topped up my tank from half full and left the Tesco's garage with a full fuel tank. The computer said on pull away that i had 420 miles distance in the tank.
but after a few mins of driving the computer re set at 213 miles left in the tank. Tesco's fuel is so weak and it was also diluting the good fuel that was in the tank. SO STAY AWAY FROM IT
What car magazine did research on this and the petrol retailers association confirmed
that petrol sold at supermarket is no different from anywhere else.It comes from the
same refinerys and processed in the same way.
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I can second the warning about Tesco petrol. A friend of mine and fellow biker worked for years for BP as a tanker driver out of Shell Haven. He never uses Tesco petrol and warned me not to either because unlike the fuel of the other companies, which is pre-mixed and ready to go, Tesco's isnt and needs the tanker drivers themselves to top-up the base fuel with the necessary additives in a two stage process. As Tesco use a lot of agency drivers and they have to drive to another part of the refinery to do this and it all takes time some of them simply didnt bother, the result being some sub-standard fuel being randomly delivered to garages. I dont know if this still goes on, but I wont use Tesco petrol in my bikes.

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Jul 30 2014, 10:53 PM
I can second the warning about Tesco petrol. A friend of mine and fellow biker worked for years for BP as a tanker driver out of Shell Haven. He never uses Tesco petrol and warned me not to either because unlike the fuel of the other companies, which is pre-mixed and ready to go, Tesco's isnt and needs the tanker drivers themselves to top-up the base fuel with the necessary additives in a two stage process. As Tesco use a lot of agency drivers and they have to drive to another part of the refinery to do this and it all takes time some of them simply didnt bother, the result being some sub-standard fuel being randomly delivered to garages. I dont know if this still goes on, but I wont use Tesco petrol in my bikes.

Thank you for adding to back my post BRZ. If what i was saying was not true, then i would not have wasted anyones time putting it up to help people here.
I can tell you that the information i gave Was not done by any outside agents. It was a close friend of my parents.
He works in the head offices of Tesco's and is relatively high up. His job title means he has to travel regularly to the refineries in person.
But above all clear your vehicle out thouralary of Tesco's fuel after doing a mileage check on a tank of fuel.
Run a few days on either BP or Shell with some carb or injector cleaner in, and then fill up again and do the same.
The results will speak for themselves, most people will not because it means that they will hear bad about something that they believed was a good deal.
It's Ostrich syndrome. When i was a little younger i had the choice at the pump of using 2 star 3 star and 4 star fuel & 5 star.
now the only people that used & bought 2 star fuels were people filling up there lawnmowers.
Now we have all been blinded by what we are told and we are all paying the earth for 2 star quality fuel now.
I had another friend that worked for a company called Associated Octel. This was a fuel government run testing facility in milton Keynes.
Because there finding were not what the government wished to hear they were shut almost overnight all funding pulled.
This was the company that was keeping the higher octane fuels on the market opposed to just lead free.
If you can remember even a standard set of spark plugs say Champion or NGK's lasted 60K. They dont do that now do they and they are still made the same.

Look at the statistics and the dates that fuels changed. You will find that the current fuels are the reason Cancer went from 1 in 100 to currant nearly 2 in 5 have it.
Burnt lead free makes Benzine the worlds biggest cancer irritant. Contrary to common belief the older fuels were healthier.
I am not a hair brained conspiracist, the facts are all there for you too look up and work out for yourself.
I am not telling you to do it if you don't wish to. I was just giving you the information so that you could check it out for yourselves.
advise never hurts anyone, only ignorance does.
But remember it was a plain carpenter that built the Ark. It was professionals that built the Titanic

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Jul 30 2014, 10:53 PM
I can second the warning about Tesco petrol. A friend of mine and fellow biker worked for years for BP as a tanker driver out of Shell Haven. He never uses Tesco petrol and warned me not to either because unlike the fuel of the other companies, which is pre-mixed and ready to go, Tesco's isnt and needs the tanker drivers themselves to top-up the base fuel with the necessary additives in a two stage process. As Tesco use a lot of agency drivers and they have to drive to another part of the refinery to do this and it all takes time some of them simply didnt bother, the result being some sub-standard fuel being randomly delivered to garages. I dont know if this still goes on, but I wont use Tesco petrol in my bikes.

Thank you for adding to back my post BRZ. If what i was saying was not true, then i would not have wasted anyones time putting it up to help people here.
I can tell you that the information i gave Was not done by any outside agents. It was a close friend of my parents.
He works in the head offices of Tesco's and is relatively high up. His job title means he has to travel regularly to the refineries in person.
But above all clear your vehicle out thouralary of Tesco's fuel after doing a mileage check on a tank of fuel.
Run a few days on either BP or Shell with some carb or injector cleaner in, and then fill up again and do the same.
The results will speak for themselves, most people will not because it means that they will hear bad about something that they believed was a good deal.
It's Ostrich syndrome. When i was a little younger i had the choice at the pump of using 2 star 3 star and 4 star fuel & 5 star.
now the only people that used & bought 2 star fuels were people filling up there lawnmowers.
Now we have all been blinded by what we are told and we are all paying the earth for 2 star quality fuel now.
I had another friend that worked for a company called Associated Octel. This was a fuel government run testing facility in milton Keynes.
Because there finding were not what the government wished to hear they were shut almost overnight all funding pulled.
This was the company that was keeping the higher octane fuels on the market opposed to just lead free.
If you can remember even a standard set of spark plugs say Champion or NGK's lasted 60K. They dont do that now do they and they are still made the same.

Look at the statistics and the dates that fuels changed. You will find that the current fuels are the reason Cancer went from 1 in 100 to currant nearly 2 in 5 have it.
Burnt lead free makes Benzine the worlds biggest cancer irritant. Contrary to common belief the older fuels were healthier.
I am not a hair brained conspiracist, the facts are all there for you too look up and work out for yourself.
I am not telling you to do it if you don't wish to. I was just giving you the information so that you could check it out for yourselves.
advise never hurts anyone, only ignorance does.
But remember it was a plain carpenter that built the Ark. It was professionals that built the Titanic

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